Lil Kim vs. Nicki Minaj: The battle gets bigger

lil-kim-minajImage Credit: Donna Ward/Getty Images; Johnny Nunez/WireImage.comRap fans got a salty side dish this holiday weekend to go with their turkey-cran sandwiches.

For months, the buzz has been on Nicki Minaj, whose recently released Pink Friday features a track, the Eminem-guesting “Roman’s Revenge,” that many took as a side-slap to Lil’ Kim (sample lyrics: “Look at my show footage, how these girls be spazzin’ / So f—I look like gettin’ back to a has-been? / Yeah, I said it, has-been /Hang it up, flatscreen /Haha plasma”). And last Friday, the Queen Bee bit back.

“It’ll be a murder scene, I’m turning Pink Friday to Friday the 13th,” Kim spat over Pharoahe Monch’s inimitable Godzilla-sampling “Simon Says” horns. “I hate you Lil’ Kim clone/clown, all this buffonery, the sh– stops now … We all know your last name is what got you your job, you’s a put-together gimmick, something like a collage.” And later: “That’s cool, I was the first one wit’ it / You’se a Lil Kim wannabe you just hate to admit it / I’m the blueprint you ain’t nothin’ brand new / Check your posters and videos / You’ll always be number two.”

As rapfix reports, Minaj doesn’t bear Kim’s wrath alone; Drake gets his moment too: “”Yeah, this hood sh– you and Drake ain’t built for, this the sh– the other bitch almost got killed for.” Hear Kim’s track in full, after the jump:

That brief quote from Minaj at the beginning comes from an interview Nicki gave Hot 97 last week: ““You gotta be careful when you pick fights,” she told Angie Martinez. “That’s what I’ve learned in this business; you just never know. I think people get me mistaken for a real Barbie. They forget where I’m from, and if I have to revert back, I can and I will. So don’t play with me.”

In that same interview, Minaj detailed her history with Kim:

“When I saw her at [Lil] Wayne’s concert, I stopped her and said, ‘I want to make sure everything is cool with us because I’m a fan first. Is everything good?’ ‘Yeah everything good. We good,’” said Nicki, impersonating Kim’s Brooklyn accent. “This is somebody I looked at highly. We took a picture, everything was good. But you wanna know what scares people? Success. When you don’t make moves and when you don’t climb up the ladder, everybody loves you because you’re not competition. When you become competition, then people start. So I felt like, ‘You’re gonna go down in history now as a sore loser as opposed to going down in history as the Queen. Because if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.”

When you see Gaga, you see Madonna — but Madonna never hated on Gaga,” Minaj continued. “Why in the black community we gotta hate on each other instead of saying, ‘Thank you for showing me love, thank you for keeping my name alive’? The same way she opened doors for me, I’m opening doors for her. Nobody was playin’ your music and you damn sure couldn’t get an interview to save your life. You getting interviews, and every time you do interviews they’re asking you about Nicki Minaj. So it’s like we help each other. That’s the point, we’re helping each other. But if you are bitter, get a life.

“I respect you, I love you, I’ve said it in every interview time and time again,” she concluded. “And if that’s not good enough with you, mama, then it’s something deep-rooted in you. Something is bothering you inside, that’s your insecurity. It’s not Nicki Minaj.”

Is Minaj right to call out the black community’s role in these rivalries? Does a scenario like this reinforce the narrow idea of a rap world with room for only one predominant female emcee, or is it leveling the playing field in a genre whose history of (largely male) diss tracks has actually elevated the form? (“Roman”‘s title, after all, is almost certainly a reference to Roxanne Shanté’s legendary UTFO diss “Roxanne’s Revenge”). And can we just please stop this nonsense and talk about Rah Digga for a minute?

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  • H.O.V.A.

    Nick is the TRUTH, that interveiw says all that ever needs to be said about Lil Kim.

    • anthony

      exactly. What’s great about Nicki Minaj’s album, is that she shied away from the sex appeal, and truly showed that she is a great MC. She could have went the Lil Kim route and talked about “swallowing sprite cans” but instead made a great pop/rap record filled with substance

      • u

        Nicki Minaj “the truth”? “Filled with substance”? HA HA HA HA HA, don’t make me laugh! If Nicki GARBaj has substance, then Soulja Boy is the voice of this generation! Yeah, I guess posing for various magazine covers with her humongous FAKE ass hanging out makes her the next Lauryn Hill, eh?

      • anthony

        your comment held no weight against nicki minaj’s musical substance. you simply stated that she poses scantily for magazines. and while i wouldn’t want to call soulja boy the voice of his generation, that may not be far from the truth. if you are going to debate, at least come with something interesting to say

      • nope

        Nicki has no substance…how many lines has Nicki spit that I’ve heard before?…runs the gammit from Old DB to Busta and even the article says Roman’s Revenge/Roxanne’s Revenge….she’s hasn’t reinvented the wheel in any way. She’s what we used to call back in the day a “biter” she’s bitting off everyone’s stuff. Let’s dissect Roman’s Revenge…how much of that is actually Nicki rhyming? any bird brain knows dungeon dragon is all busta, eminem is on the track for 2 whole verses…the end is filled with sound effects and weird voices…i mean can she go 5 minutes…KIM DID! KIM got at her, all alone, no assists 5 minutes of pure fire. Nicki doesn’t have the chops.

      • nope

        Also, you mention Kim’s sprite can lyric, but what can you mention about Nicki that’s so extraordinary? Kim isn’t even the best female emcee out there, but best believe Nicki is even farther away from that title. This shouldn’t even be about kim v. nicki…. you need to wonder about the quality of hip-hop you listen to where you think that Nicki is some hip-hop God. The problem is us cats that grew up in the 80s/90s were spoiled we got the best of the best…we knew rappers were true to “oh no i don’t wanna go pop!” – lord chief rocka #1 chief rocka! ;) – nowadays it’s like i’ll do some hip-POP where’s my check??? Nicki, Drake – all about that bullsh*t bringing hip hop down.

      • u

        @ Anthony:

        Your original comment mentioned Nicki shying away from sex appeal, hence why I pointed out her penchant for posing scantily clad in magazines, which is the opposite of shying away from sex appeal. This woman is all fluff and ZERO substance. She is the most talentless female rapper I have come across, perhaps second only to Kid Sister. I’m no Lil Kim fan by any means, but she is a more talented rapper than Nicki, and I’m quite puzzled as to why people like you are treating Nicki like she is the best thing since sliced bread. She isn’t. She is pure gimmickry, plain and simple. A few years from, she will be where Kim is now– a has-been.

      • B

        Obviously anyone standing up for Lil Kim likes extensive plastic surgery, lightened skin, and still has love for 90’s rap. I loved Lil Kim’s sh#& too, but Nicki is a better rhymer. Ask Faith.

      • u

        @ B:

        Right, and Nicki hasn’t had any plastic surgery herself? Fake ass, anyone? And who in good taste wouldn’t prefer 90s hip-hop to the crap that’s being played on the radio today MASKING as hip-hop? And I don’t know who this “Faith” character is that you’re talking about, but whomever she is clearly is no expert on rap to say Nicki is a better rapper than Kim. Again, I am NOT fan of either women, but anyone with working ears will know that Kim is the superior rapper, regardless of whom you prefer.

      • Kevin “Koko” McClumpington

        Lauryn Hill would wipe the floor with Minaj.

      • diablo

        are you on crack nikky stole kims whole identetie n then trie to call her music hip hop you must be younger than 21

      • k.minaj

        look you stupid just because you cant be like nicki minaj doesnt mean you can diss her cause dat means your dissing me and i dont take to kind to dat so you better watch ya mouth

      • ayanna

        she is the best and lil kim is two old tryed to be back

      • casgs

        Will you stop going on about the 80/90’s. that’s the PAST! who gives a crap! Nicki’s the future so stfu and deal with it.

      • quanshala miller

        what ever.Do not hate off of lil kim she was first one that was until niki came but niki is great to but she is bitting off lil kim in her own way

      • FRee WeeZY

        you on something that nobody else on lil kim great and nicki is greater. AlWAYS WILL BE!!!!!!

      • jay

        nicky minaj is GARBAGE !!! its stupid how girls nowadays try to bite off of her shes a joke !! and a TERRIBLE rapper…or w.e you call what she does cuz its not good rapping !!! it doesnt matter what plastic surgery,pink outfit or colorful weave she puts on she still wack to me !! lil kim is no better but nicki is worse !!!

    • EDWARD 4EVA!!!!!

      F*ck this stupid stuff, Twilight is soooooooooo much more better!!! It’s so deep and romantic, they’re totally the greatest books that ever were written in the whole history of the world! Twilight fans is going to live 4eva!!!!

      • tafmat

        I really think nicki rules, even if ya`ll say it aint hip hop, nicki is stil the best at what she is doin.and that ol lady kim must just respect the waves dat minaj is hittin

      • alex is hot

        R u kidding me stfu tuff guy
        Twilight is gay

      • tariyana

        that makes no sense get wit iht or get loose nd kwitt hatin jus cuz nikki ca rap nd yhu cant nd nicki betta dan yhu dnt hate appreciate get wid iht bish!!!

      • FRee WeeZY

        I…………..absolutely hate TWILiGHT if you dont care why are on this site? shouldnt you be watchin your sagas you LAME. and one more thing you should buy VAMPIRES SUCK. its a movie for a reason!

      • bubu


    • Kimmy Cakes

      Yeah Nicki is the truth! A TRUE FRAUD & THIEF! Lil Kim ate her up on this track. I’m tired of the media propping these marginally talented ppl up and expect us all to support the fantasy of their greatness!

      • Jeremiah

        nicki minaj go hard on every track i heard from her,you can talk about her but still she rises,she letting all these lil haters have it.

    • bubu

      nicki manaj is The besT qirl rapper ever!!!!! she the nexT lil wayne… she won best artist of the year on the hip-hop awards and she evan beat out lil wayne an drake an eminem!!!!! so lil kim isx no comp!!!!

  • ZurichHottie

    Nicki is clever. I adore her and I adore Kim. The point was made and I have to agree with Nicki, the atmosphere of todays hiphop is reflective of the hostility toward woman in the genre. Unfortunate.

  • Charlie sheen’s junk

    she was in my room last night…an rating her against Lil’Kim (circe case a baby oil 99)…Minja is an 8 and Kim a 7.5…not much dif

    • FRee WeeZY


    • Keke

      Nicki in ur rum¿just imgne bbe yea whn u sy kim i andastnd coz sh is a hore wch can go evrywhre nt nicki oh plz bbz nicki minaj is de best

  • Scotty J

    Kim got her nerve considering she got in the game being Biggie’s mistress and she was a gimmick. Junior Mafia anyone?

    • missy k

      u r so right, she act like she got in the game on talent alone and even after bein big’s misstress all she could talk about was sucking and screwing i recall not long after she got her start having to have her stomach pumped for having consumed so much semen

      • Nathan

        I smell an urban legend.

        The average male only produces about a Tsp of semen. The human stomach can hold 2-5 pints of fluid before they get sick, and it has to be in less than an hour, as the body starts absorbing it. There are 96 tsp in one liter. If it’s true that Lil Kim had her stomach pumped of semen, it means 200 to 480 dudes popped in her mouth in under an hour. That’s seven guys per minute.

      • Prince

        Well yall nicki fans yall hate to no da truth before they stated beefing i swear i know it was happening i never like nicki she bites off everybody style look at lil kim pics from 90s

    • quaasia

      i mean lil kim diss her so why can’t u people get that in ur bigg head and why u lame people talking about B.I.G u all are more childess if u pick nick side and keys diss that fack barbie ahahahahahahahahah

  • t.t

    nicki minaj is nothing. she can’t compare to lil kim

    • jakara

      nicki minaj is live and lil kim is wack

      • bhudda

        you all wack nicki fans!period

      • ciciG

        they both great but nicki did take lil kim swagg and stuff but i like them equal and lil kim is my cousin anyway she a jones and i stick up for my family point blank period.

    • B

      This is either a lame New York thing, or a lamer age thing. So you’re probably from Brooklyn and over 40. lol

      • u

        I didn’t know that in order to realize Nicki GARBaj is crap you must be middle-aged and from New York. How old are you? Because your arguments are extremely weak and nonsensical.

    • nicki fan

      omg why is ppl trippen nicki is good at what she do lil kim is hatin right now period if she wasn’t kim wouldn’t have nothing to say if she’s queen

      • tyra

        yay i see alot of haters y hat nikki rocks haters gooodbye

    • no nikki

      f—nicki minaj! bit@#$# nicki f— wayne for the game so who’s hating on kim for doing BIGGIE minaj& gaga all these new pop whatever are put together f__@#$! gimmicks! minaj wigs are like circus clowns and no bith__I m not 40!chk kim’s wigs? and f— that K minaj u on some hatin lil kim bs and diddy rode off BIGGIE TOO and nicki ridin off other peoples sht! go buy some TUPAC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • ceecee

      man why all yall bizzys hateing on nikki minaj because somebody finally got more bars then lil kim come on now gett over yourselves there will be more rppers sooon but for now NIKKI THE BEST EVER

    • jay

      thats right ! nicky minaj is GARBAGE she wack !!….the only thing that makes her a barbie is that shes PLASTIC !!! HAHAHAHAHAAH

      • jay

        in a few years nicky will be a has-been to !! i cant wait to see that !

  • John

    Nicki Minaj is the best and is clearly the more mature one in this argument. GO NICKI

    • a

      she might act mature in front of the cameras, but go watch some other videos that don’t end up on mainstream tv and you’ll see just how dumb and fake nicki really is, this chicks got all of you clowns fooled lol

      • Dee

        @ a
        No one’s fooled. The way she acts in any other video off camera is in a different setting. Everyone wears a different cap in every situatuion. MIND you It’s NOT saying you don’t give your whole “person” to everyone. You act differently when yur with yur frenz than u do with yur mother right? Same person just different roles.

        @ all
        This should all really be a non-issue. The debate will never end LOL.everyone has a comment. Let the woman do her! Damn it!So much more i could say but F-it-all who cares!!

    • no nikki

      u got be on some mars sh—t cause nicki is a collage!

    • Kim Fan…

      screw u. u lil kim clone clown. kim is the ish in dis fu*kn biz

  • matterlyb

    Hey, here’s a thought: they BOTH suck!

    Auto-tune can make anyone a star.

    • Dee


    • daneen

      hahahahahahah the truest statement on this whole page right on!!!!!!!!!

      • deidra

        Aye all i den got to say is that nicki minaj is fake, but she can busta rhyme, all yall can admit that her rhymin is beastly evn if she took it from otha ppls, aint that all about be in successful. u gotta take from othas to make yoself shine, so lil kim is just hatin cus someone tryna up rise ha title. i dont dig y she gettin all prissy bout it cus if u look at madonna and lady gaga lady gaga is all about madonna, my motha thought lady gaga was madonna in the music video ” video phone” sooooo. df is dah problem lil kim is on top wit her rappin an nicki minaj may be gettin there but she cnt touch lil kim but lil kim is puttn too much on dis and i dnt get y dis all strtn cus all it doin is just gettin ery body hyped up fo no damn reason!!!!!!!!!!!

    • curleen

      I think Kim is acting like a child. Nicki always gave her credit 4 being a good female rapper but Kim loves 2 act like a hoodrat. Big ups 2 Nicki,Kim aint ready no day no time.

      • TR

        Mmwaaaaah u on point

    • MissMack11

      Nicki has been taking shots at the ladies in hip hop for a while now, if you Nicki fans were really listening you know what I’m talking about. Kim is just the only one who said something back. Furthermore who was Nick talking about on Roman’s Revenge when she said ” is it my fault that all you b*%€h*s gone?”

      • 2011 nickitakeova

        i dont think nicki was talkn about anyone in particular but anyone who took offense to it n felt nicki was comin at them then she was if u felt like u was the b word and u gone then u must b

    • Cyrena

      Nicki is better by far.
      Lil kim jus jelous sombody else takinq her place, sorry hunn. yur done.! (:

      • Dababii

        Listen No one will eva take Lil Kims place Nicki Minaj is just a jocker 4 real did you forget Biggie Smalls brought lil kim out? she is the queen B no matter what NO ONE can take her place she is the real black barbie !!! not even NICKI MINAJ !!

      • Lori

        I do like some of nicki’s song but i think lil kim is so much better then nicki yuh can’t compare lil kim wit nicki lkt wtf GO LIL KIM .DNT HATE ON LIL KIM

      • tia aka baby

        thank u so much y izz everyboby haten on nikki

  • keke

    well nicki is correct but lil kim is still queen … nicki yu new to this kim been in the game! but yu both can seriously learn from each other.. cus this is too childish…for 2 grown ass women! music is the motive! leave all that bull.. at the door

  • mary q contrary

    Minaj makes Kim look like such a douche. Also, you have to give her credit for taking the high road. If Nicki Minaj was the one who had screwed her face up so bad and ended up looking like a goblin, Lil’ Kim would be screaming jokes about it from the rooftops.

    • ls

      when will you learn that hip hop is not about taking the fkn high road. male emcees battle all the time. hip hop is the boxing of the music industry. careers within this genre have been built on beefs and battle raps. minaj appeals to people who are clueless about real hip hop. her rhymes are weak, if she knew how to write something better, she could possibly be something than a gimmick. hip hop is not some kum-ba-ya genre. it’s about who is the better lyricist, who comes harder, who is grittier and who has their ears to the street. the bs that minaj and drake spit is for surburban kids who don’t have a clue. it’s not real hip hop it is more or less hip-pop there is a huge difference. obviously you’re from the burbs so you don’t know isht about real hip hop. you’ll never get it.

      • Tim

        Who the F are you to judge what real hip hop is? You trying to tell me that hip hop is only for the hood? Is that why as soon as an artist makes it they high tail their A out of the hood? Is that why people in the hood downloading albums and selling them on the street. (the artist makes no profit). Hip Hop is not about where you come from. No music is. Music is more spiritual than anything.
        PS I’ve lived on both sides of the track dude.

      • the girl

        I agree strongly with the first seven sentences of Is’ statement (up until he starts talking about suburbs vs. hoods). Hip-hop has always fostered beefs and battles. It gets people excited to hear what is coming next, it challenges artists, it makes or breaks careers. And any one who knows anything about hip-hop doesn’t think this stuff extends anywhere past the wax. Because it doesn’t, not anymore. This “beef” is the best thing for BOTH of their careers. Personally, I happen to find Nicki Minaj to be pretty wack. Not that Lil Kim ranks very high on my talent scale. But I don’t think this is a bad showing for the ladies, on the contrary I love that they are taking it out in rhyme just like one of the fellas. And they have both stepped their lyrical games up for this little exercise in radio war.

      • dee

        Tim, the above comment is right. Hip Hop was a message from the streets. That’s how it began. “Dude.” Now, what it has evolved into is what you seem to know more about but you obviously don’t know much about the “hood” if you think Hip Hop isn’t about it.

        Kim is like Ceazar Chavez and Nikki Minaj is like Oscar De La Hoya. You can’t compare Nikki to Kim when Kim has done hers and made history. Nikki just hit the seen. I still want to see what she’s made of but she’s got balls to bring on beef with Kim. Her only source of the Kim’s supposed sh*t talking is from Foxy Brown, who denied ever telling Nikki anything. This tells me Minaj started the beef to make news and sell records. End of discussion.

      • Shaolin Shadowboxer

        Amen. Hip-pop is terrible. It’s a lot of rhyming about nothing. I miss the early-to-mid-’90s.

    • a

      high road? are you clueless to how many times nicki actually opened her plastic ass mouth up taking shots at lil kim before kim actually decided to make black friday? oh and guess what kim isn’t the only female artist who is beefing with nicki garbaj, no surprise there, keys ripped her too

      • starbbycat

        keys is a loser

  • AQ

    I like Nicki Minaj, and she’s a beatufiul woman, but if you listen to all her lyrics of “Roman’s Revenage” it’s sending out subliminal messages not just toward Lil Kim but for all female MC’s in the music industry. Open your ears and listen well…it is a dissed!

    • a

      beautiful woman? thats a joke right, please take a look at the ‘before’ pictures.

      • no nikki

        damn rit bit– ain’t cute or bee maybe boo ti ful but take n the queen crown bit– gotta get wit it! she ain’t no mc lyte roxanne salt or pepper queen latifah she young and her money is young no queen bee that bit– stupid and her stupid ryhm–sht!

      • tracy

        @a: Let’s see yo pictures, i bet u ugly as hell. Nicki is sexy

      • tracy

        @ no nicki: u sound like some old hoe who dnt take care of yo self. nicki not ugly, u probly just need to look at yo self in the mirror

  • AQ

    I got love for Nicki Minaj but I don’t think she was that careful with her words…

  • Nikki

    She makes a GREAT point about Gaga/Madonna…..only in our community would a grown woman hate a on lil girl!!!!

    • Markus

      But Lady Gaga still sucks. I liked her better when she was called Marilyn Manson.

      • steph

        har har. :-\

      • Wonderous

        Ok…that ISH was funny…”Lady Gaga still sucks. I liked her better when she was called Marilyn Manson”…Your KILLIN ME!!! LOLOL

    • pablo

      Um..Grace Jones and Lady Gaga anyone. People just don’t like being ripped of then get lectured from someone who stole your style and is less good at it.

    • Redd

      Nicki is a grown ass woman, 25 years old GTFOH

      • Brooklyn Grrl

        she’s 29 yrs old. lol

  • dropper

    Nicki Minaj made a lot of good points. Lil Kim needs to spend less time worrying about Nicki and more time focusing on her own floundering career.

    • dee

      Nikki Minaj made this point after she made a song dissing Kim. Her only source denies ever telling her that Kim was dissing her. Sounds like Nikki is full of …

      • Gerla

        kim is raw and was in the game first she may not be in the spotlight now dosent mean she cant be respected.. first of all she rolled with biggie nicki rolls with drake totally diff ppl.. and besides its not about the plastic surgery.. alot of em do that its about their style and how they carry themselves.. kim attracts me more thats just my opinion

    • SaSha J

      yess yhuu ritee!!1

  • kate

    I loved Lil’ Kim since she first came out (I was 15). I still rock her music but in light of everything I think Lil Kim is real immature. She is making herself look real bad. I just shake my head when I see her name on the internet. Her Black Friday song sounds horrible and I am not into her lyrics one bit. So negative!!

    • dee

      Oh Kate, dear. You must not like 90% of Hip Hop since most of it is battles and from the streets.

    • a

      too bad 90% of the hip hop world disagrees with you, lil kim ripped nicki and her flow is 100x harder than nicki’s whack ass flow will ever be, no weird voices or retarded 1 word rhymes,

  • Bradley

    They’re both horrible

    • bdub

      To set the stage yes I am 40+ but not from New York. But I don’t think you have to be a certian age to appreciate quality lyricism tho you will find the kinds of tracks people like are more dependent on age.

      To be fair, Kim is not a musical genius. Not by any stretch of the imagination. However she changed the game, love her or hate her you have to give her that point. You can argue about how far she may or may not have set womens cause back by rapping about swallowing a Sprite can but her effect as a force in rap was clearly felt. But as a rapper other than a couple of verses here and there she has never been anything to write home about. You’d also have to give her longevity, she was hot for a good bit. Let’s see if anyone even knows who Nicki is in 12 months.

      Nicki Minaj well thats a different story in my mind. Her lyrics are clearly craptasticly worse than Kims, and as I’ve said before Kims raps ain’t exactly mind blowing. And her style, well there is nothing to it really. You do have to give her that she can carry a tune in a bucket. Even if its a mostly autotune bucket.

      This is like watching people argue about which special needs kid is the smartest while completely forgeting that there are honors classes down the hall. Both these “artists”……nevermind, applying that word to either of them even with the air quotes is too hypocritical to continue.

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